OT: some visual Win16 goodies wanted!

Post by Harry Potter
* an icon editor
* some icons
* VGA wallpaper
Where can I get these?

Walnut Creek CD-ROM archives.

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 11:36:33 UTC

Post by JJ
Walnut Creek CD-ROM archives.

Found it. Downloaded some. Found some icons. Thanks! :)

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 12:04:21 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
Found it. Downloaded some. Found some icons. Thanks! :)

Most of the good icons are 256-color. :( I'll try again. :)

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 12:18:07 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
Most of the good icons are 256-color. :( I'll try again. :)

I tried again. No more icons, but I found what appears to be an icon editor. Maybe I'll create my own. :)

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 13:53:08 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
Most of the good icons are 256-color. :( I'll try again. :)

I tried again. No more icons, but I found what appears to be an icon editor. Maybe I'll create my own. :)

Never mind. I found all the icons I wanted. Thanks! :)

Sjouke Burry

2018-12-09 17:20:07 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
Most of the good icons are 256-color. :( I'll try again. :)

I tried again. No more icons, but I found what appears to be an icon editor. Maybe I'll create my own. :)

Never mind. I found all the icons I wanted. Thanks! :)

I have a few editors and icolib.
mail me if you want them
(email figures instead of text , last part remove double letters.)

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 17:45:25 UTC

Post by Sjouke Burry
I have a few editors and icolib.
mail me if you want them
(email figures instead of text , last part remove double letters.)

I have the Greenfish Ico Editor, but I'm interested in an editor for Win3.1. If you have one, can you e-mail it to me? My address is rose.joseph12(at)yahoo.com.

Grant Taylor

2018-12-09 20:12:43 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
* an icon editor

I think Microangelo was a thing back in the 3.x days. At least
everything I read about it in the 95 / 98 days indicated that it had
been around for a while.

Post by Harry Potter
* some icons
* VGA wallpaper
Where can I get these?

I would think that there are a LOT of icons and wallpaper that you can find.

I am curious what you mean by "VGA wallpaper". I'm used to Windows 3.x
supporting 16 and 256 colors (depending on driver and configuration).
So, I would think that most .bmp files would work. Or are you wanting
pictures designed for low color resolution?

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Harry Potter

2018-12-09 21:16:21 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
* an icon editor

I think Microangelo was a thing back in the 3.x days. At least
everything I read about it in the 95 / 98 days indicated that it had
been around for a while.

Thanks! I'll Google it later.

Post by Harry Potter
* some icons
* VGA wallpaper
Where can I get these?

I would think that there are a LOT of icons and wallpaper that you can find.

I found some icons but not wallpaper.

Post by Grant Taylor
I am curious what you mean by "VGA wallpaper". I'm used to Windows 3.x
supporting 16 and 256 colors (depending on driver and configuration).
So, I would think that most .bmp files would work. Or are you wanting
pictures designed for low color resolution?

By "VGA wallpaper" I mean wallpaper for the 640x480x16-color screen.

Grant Taylor

2018-12-10 01:47:41 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
Thanks! I'll Google it later.

You're welcome.

Post by Harry Potter
I found some icons but not wallpaper.

:-)

Post by Harry Potter
By "VGA wallpaper" I mean wallpaper for the 640x480x16-color screen.

Hum. I thought one of VGA's claims to fame was more than 16 colors,
namely 256 colors. I think the VGA specification also calls for more
than 640x480 resolution. So I think you are wanting smaller and lower
color depth than what VGA supports. Hence why I asked.

I expect that it should be possible to use most modern graphics programs
to down size just about any picture to 640x480 and to reduce the color
depth. You may loose some detail, particularly in things that rely on
the higher color depth and / or size to make the picture meaningful.

That being said, I've successfully reduced many 24-bit color pictures
down to 256 color.

You might even be able to get away having Windows do the color reduction
for you as part of it's display.

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Steve

2018-12-10 13:39:37 UTC

Hi,
<Snip>

Post by Harry Potter
By "VGA wallpaper" I mean wallpaper for the 640x480x16-color screen.

Hum. I thought one of VGA's claims to fame was more than 16 colors,
namely 256 colors. I think the VGA specification also calls for more
than 640x480 resolution.

Well, here are the stock VGA modes. Gack, view with a monospaced
font.

Character
Mode Type Format Cell Colors Adapter
___ _______ _______ ____ _____________ _______
0 text 40x25 8x8 16/8 composite CGA,EGA+
1 text 40x25 8x8 16/8 CGA,EGA+
2 text 80x25 8x8 16/8 composite CGA,EGA+
3 text 80x25 8x8 16/8 CGA,EGA+
4 graphic 320x200 8x8 4 CGA,EGA+
5 graphic 320x200 8x8 4 composite CGA,EGA+
6 graphic 640x200 8x8 2 CGA,EGA+
7 text 80x25 9x14 3 (b/w/bold) MDA,EGA+
8,9,0AH PCjr modes
0BH,0CH reserved by EGA BIOS
0DH graphic 320x200 8x8 16 EGA,VGA
0EH graphic 640x200 8x8 16 EGA,VGA
0FH graphic 640x350 8x14 3 (b/w/bold) EGA,VGA
10H graphic 640x350 8x14 4 or 16 EGA,VGA
11H graphic 640x480 8x16 2 VGA
12H graphic 640x480 8x16 16 VGA
13H graphic 320x200 8x8 256 VGA

Character cell size can vary on some of the VGA
modes and mode 7 on some other displays.

HTH,

Steve N.

Grant Taylor

2018-12-10 17:15:28 UTC

Post by Steve
Hi,

Hi,

Post by Steve
Well, here are the stock VGA modes.

Hum.

Maybe I'm conflating Super VGA with VGA. :-/

Sorry for the confusion.

Post by Steve
Gack, view with a monospaced font.

Looks good to me. :-)

Post by Steve
Character
Mode Type Format Cell Colors Adapter
___ _______ _______ ____ _____________ _______
0 text 40x25 8x8 16/8 composite CGA,EGA+
1 text 40x25 8x8 16/8 CGA,EGA+
2 text 80x25 8x8 16/8 composite CGA,EGA+
3 text 80x25 8x8 16/8 CGA,EGA+
4 graphic 320x200 8x8 4 CGA,EGA+
5 graphic 320x200 8x8 4 composite CGA,EGA+
6 graphic 640x200 8x8 2 CGA,EGA+
7 text 80x25 9x14 3 (b/w/bold) MDA,EGA+
8,9,0AH PCjr modes
0BH,0CH reserved by EGA BIOS
0DH graphic 320x200 8x8 16 EGA,VGA
0EH graphic 640x200 8x8 16 EGA,VGA
0FH graphic 640x350 8x14 3 (b/w/bold) EGA,VGA
10H graphic 640x350 8x14 4 or 16 EGA,VGA
11H graphic 640x480 8x16 2 VGA
12H graphic 640x480 8x16 16 VGA
13H graphic 320x200 8x8 256 VGA

Can I ask where that table came from?

Post by Steve
Character cell size can vary on some of the VGA modes and mode 7 on some
other displays.

ACK

--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Steve

2018-12-10 19:14:38 UTC

Hi,

Post by Steve
Well, here are the stock VGA modes.

Hum.
Maybe I'm conflating Super VGA with VGA. :-/
Sorry for the confusion.

Sounds like, but it is likely that HP's laptop is SVGA anyway.
I ran Windows 3.11 with SVGA cards/video.

Post by Steve
Gack, view with a monospaced font.

Looks good to me. :-)

Okay!

<Snip>

Post by Grant Taylor
Can I ask where that table came from?

Sure. The table started as a partial screen grab from "The
Best of TECH Help!", by Flambeaux Software, Inc., a bit lazy
about typing. I then corrected the errors and edited it to
emphasize certain things and personel formating. By my
memory, but that references the following sources: (Among
others, but these are the most used.)

"Programmer's Guide to PC Video Systems",2nd Ed, Richard
Wilton.

"The Undocumented PC", Second Edition, Frank van Gilluwe,

Steve

2018-12-10 19:22:44 UTC

(Steve) writes:

Well that got mangled somehow. Please add;

"Programmer's Guide to the EGA, VGA, and Super VGA Cards", 3rd
edition, Richard F. Ferraro.

Regards,

Steve N.

Harry Potter

2018-12-22 16:07:12 UTC

I also have a Win16 emulation setup in DOSBox on a Win10/64 laptop. How about some 800x600x256-color wallpaper and .WAV sound effects?

Harry Potter

2018-12-22 20:51:47 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
I also have a Win16 emulation setup in DOSBox on a Win10/64 laptop. How about some 800x600x256-color wallpaper and .WAV sound effects?

Sorry for not mentioning, but the DOS laptop (the one at the beginning of the post, not the Win10/64 request) only has VGA and no sound card. Admittedly, the DOS laptop seems to just be useful to install stuff, not *use* stuff, but I want to use it some day. :(

Harry Potter

2018-12-22 23:04:41 UTC

I just tried Microangelo. I have to buy it, and it's *not* for Win16. GFIE is good enough, and I can just transfer any icons I make. :)

2018-12-23 08:52:36 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
I also have a Win16 emulation setup in DOSBox on a Win10/64 laptop. How
about some 800x600x256-color wallpaper and .WAV sound effects?

Just get any wallpaper, resize it to 800x600, then convert it to 256 colors.
It's not that hard.

For sound effects, Walnut Creek and similar CD-ROMs have plenty of them. If
they're not in WAV format (e.g. VOC, AU, SND, etc.), use ffmpeg to convert
them to WAV. Or just get the sounds from SoundCloud.

Post by Harry Potter
Sorry for not mentioning, but the DOS laptop (the one at the beginning of
the post, not the Win10/64 request) only has VGA and no sound card.

IIRC, there's a Windows audio driver for the PC-speaker, if you can't or
don't want to get a sound card. But at least a LPT-port based audio kit
(which works the same as Covox Speech Thing, and Disney Sound Source) should
be used in order to play digitized sound, because PC-speaker's quality is
about 8KHz-11KHz, and LPT-port based audio device is around 11KHz-22KHz.

Post by Harry Potter
Admittedly, the DOS laptop seems to just be useful to install stuff, not
*use* stuff, but I want to use it some day. :(

DOS is still pretty useful for office and accounting works. And especially
if the machine is a laptop. If the laptop specification is mid class or
above (at the time it was made), it'd be useful for NESticle, Genecyst, and
MAME too. :)

Post by Harry Potter
I just tried Microangelo. I have to buy it, and it's *not* for Win16.
GFIE is good enough, and I can just transfer any icons I make. :)

I can't recall that there's a good icon editor for Win16 which is freeware.
The good ones are either sharewares or retail. You'll just have to make do.

Harry Potter

2018-12-23 11:55:59 UTC

JJ, I thank you for your reply. I have a program to convert the wallpapers. What is the name of the PC speaker .WAV player, so I can download it? I have NESticle, but a 16-bit emulation would be too slow, as the laptop only has a 486DX4/75MHz processor. :(

Sjouke Burry

2018-12-23 14:13:15 UTC

Post by Harry Potter
JJ, I thank you for your reply. I have a program to convert the wallpapers. What is the name of the PC speaker .WAV player, so I can download it? I have NESticle, but a 16-bit emulation would be too slow, as the laptop only has a 486DX4/75MHz processor. :(

Plonked "PC speaker .WAV player" into google search and got
lots of hits.

Harry Potter

2018-12-23 15:03:19 UTC

Post by Sjouke Burry
Plonked "PC speaker .WAV player" into google search and got
lots of hits.

Downloaded one. Thank you! :)

2018-12-24 11:04:59 UTC

Post by Sjouke Burry
Plonked "PC speaker .WAV player" into google search and got
lots of hits.

LOL, I stumbled on a MIDI driver to PC speaker. Turns out that it plays the
notes as beeps. Just like my now-dead Siemens phone. :)

Harry Potter

2019-02-08 23:43:11 UTC